How to Navigate a Career Change When You’re Multi-Passionate and Maxed Out

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Essentialist, see a messy situation and feel an irresistible urge to clean it up, organize it, and make it make sense. Total system and process Mastermind. Her shadow. Spark archetype is the advocate, the passionate voice that stands up for people, causes and ideas that matter.

Advocates helps spotlight issues, amplify voices, and drive a real change in the world. And her antis spark type, which is the work that tends to drain her more is the nurture. While she absolutely cares about people, the deep emotional work of holding space and being with others isn't where her energy naturally flows.

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Theresa: Super excited to hear more about your background and what you're looking for. Before we go into your Sparky type, do you mind giving me a little bit of, uh, your career story in a nutshell?

Ameesha: Okay. I've had a lot of things that I've done in my career. Um, I started off as an interior designer and a project manager, so I did that for about four years. I then pivoted, and this was back in India. So I'm originally from ba, born and raised there. Been in Canada for about 11 years. Uh, I then

loped over a period of. Four [: 00:03:00

So I did that for about four and a half to five years. So I had that for a bit and then I decided to just move countries, moved to Canada, did my MBA from McGill. So I was there in making Montreal for two years and then I've been since then in corporate North America. My career, even over here has not been a straight line, but I feel like it does kind of make a little bit of sense.

So I started in retail just because I feel like, because I had an int uh, I had my own entrepreneurial venture. I always thought about starting something on my own, but the investment required is so high if you're doing high end jewelry specifically. So I really didn't wanna put that capital investment in.

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I then went into consulting. I was in FinTech consulting for about a year and a half, and then I switched to management consulting and have been doing that for about six years. Uh, I've been in two companies in that period. I was in Capco briefly, and then I was in, I've been in Cognizant Technology Solutions for the past five years.

Uh, what I do is more transformation management. So any organization might need some, any large organization generally is going through a large transformation, large or small. They're generally going through some kind of transformations, which has a technology component to it. So they might be doing platform modernization, moving from legacy system to modern platforms.

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You have to make sure everyone's trained and upskilled for it. And you have to make sure that when it's rolled out, everyone's prepped for it and everyone is aware of what the changes look like, and then you kind of stay and support them till they're okay to let you go or mm-hmm. Okay. To let the consultants goal.

So I've done that in a variety of spaces where big banks were implementing ServiceNow or some kind of process optimization, where a large Canadian bank acquired a large US bank. And so I was involved in, again, you know, 9,000 employees coming in into that business space. So like, how do you make sure that your current employees are okay?

How do you make sure that the new employees are okay? And all of that. I've done Salesforce implementation. Um, yeah, that's, that's pretty much it. So that's, that's my transformation management. I, I wanna say, um, my experience so far, and I. I feel like I kind of, yeah, I like it depending on the clients, of course, and depending on the pro uh, project scope.

been doing that for a couple [: 00:06:00

So it's not there to measure what we're good or bad at. It's really what gives us that feeling that what we do is like purposeful, meaningful. We enjoy doing that work. It's really, feels really aligned. And for you, your primary spark type showed up as the essentialist. And the essentialist is someone to take chaos and create order out of that.

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Theresa (2): Did that resonate

Theresa: with you? I describe

Ameesha: my job as that. That's what I do. That's what you do? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I create order out of chaos. Like if there's chaos, my, that's me. I'm borderline OCD, so this actually appeals to me also a lot, like personally as well. My space is always very clean and organized 'cause I can't function in chaos, so I always am trying to make order out of chaos. Yeah, yeah.

Theresa: Yeah. And is it also, is it something you're not just good at but you also really enjoy?

Ameesha: So this is where I struggle. I, I feel like there are days when I really enjoy it, but there are days when, when I'm drained Yeah.

And things I, I feel like maybe meeting heavy days are the ones Um, no, I, I think I do enjoy it. Yeah. I do, I do enjoy this because I think I know what drains me. So what drains

Theresa: you?

Ameesha: Uh, repetition?[: 00:08:00

I think doing it once and if somebody understands it, okay, good. I'm, I'm down. Perfect. But if it's again and again and it, it's like the 10th call, I'm doing the same thing. And you've still not gotten the basics right, because I'm not like that. I've been told something once.

I generally have a very detailed note taking system, which makes me realize exactly, okay, I know exactly what to look at. I know how to refer to that. I don't need to. Annoyed that person who taught me something again and again to kind of teach me that again. Yeah. Whereas if someone is constantly asking the same thing again and again, , that's something kill your soul once, but not again and again.

Yeah. I don't have time for that. Yeah.

Theresa: Yeah. I relate to that so much. I'm like, I feel like I'm allergic to repetition. I, I love doing things once, but don't make me repeat it. Exactly. Exactly. Yes. And going at that speed allows you to be really successful. It's just having the people that can keep up with it.

Yeah. True. True. [: 00:09:00

Ameesha: Um, when everything falls together and it flows and everything comes together, so that's, that's really nice. Like. I feel, uh, some element of chaos has existed in pretty much all my career, and at the end of it, it all kinds of come together. So whether I was doing, I think the most I get, I, yeah. You know, like I've tried to do a deep dive in this.

cause right now I am feeling [: 00:10:00

Theresa (2): Yeah. So

Ameesha: When I'm actually doing the work. What drives me is that this sense of coming together and everything's like perfect and like, okay, great. Like now we've got it. All of that came to this moment and look amazing.

The whole thing is that it's making someone's life better. What, whatever. Right. Like it's make made the process easier. It everything looks pretty and nice. Like it's, it's great. So yeah, that, I think that's great. And then the second part would be recognition. Yeah. For me, getting that really, really matters.

Like, I can be doing this again and again, but if I'm not getting recognition, really demoralizing and that kind of just takes away from it. Yeah.

Theresa: What I'm hearing, and you correct me if I'm wrong, is that, , that creating order, as long as you're in that zone and it's moving towards the direction from Kios to order, it's.

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And it feels like the pieces that get in the way of that feel like the heavier lift.

Ameesha: Yeah, it's very unproductive for me when people spend a lot of time, uh, not being specific, but being but talking in circles

so Yeah.

Theresa: Yeah, yeah. I get it. And I wanna, um, go a little bit earlier in your career when you think about interior design and jewelry design. I wonder if the essentialist came in as well there, but in a different way of like, when I'm. For an interior designer of, it's a way of chaos, right? There is different fabrics, there's different colors, there's different furniture.

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Ameesha: For sure.

And interior for sure. It was a very rewarding career for me. I left because I was falling sick a lot, because you have to be on sites where there's a lot of construction. So I, so I was like, oh, I chose the wrong field. But like, it was, but yeah, it was very interesting because there was the creative part, which was satisfied because you have to be creative, but then it was also the order creating part, which was satisfied because eventually out of all that chaos, this beautiful thing that came out of it.

So it was, it was really interesting that, yeah, like it kind of mattered in jewelry, I felt the most disillusioned because there were months when I would be working nonstop, and then there were months when I wouldn't be, because I had my own thing. So it, it's very seasonal. It's very mm-hmm. Client specific.

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I didn't have kiosk to make on all

Theresa: those. Yeah. And I wonder also when you're in a, when you started your own entrepreneurial journey that you probably had very quickly developed systems, processes, and that part was probably really fun to create a, a business. Uh, but then once all the businesses and processes and systems are in place, it can feel a little draining for someone who's craving that give me some new chaos that I can organize.

longest time, in spite of me [: 00:14:00

And my family members weren't interested in joining this. Like, you know, they were, they have their own things and whatnot. So I felt like my glass ceiling, like I'm, was much lower, like it was, and I, I don't wanna get into the spec. Like, I know we have only 45 minutes. I don't wanna get into the specifics.

The cultural connotations. Yeah. But it felt like I couldn't do more just because of the family. The family and the societal structure as opposed to what the, what the industry entailed. The industry was lost and it still lost, but I couldn't do more. So that was also frustrating because. As driven as I wanted to be.

Yeah,

Theresa: that must be [: 00:15:00

Theresa (2): It was. It was. Yeah.

Theresa: Moving on to your shadow, spark type T advocate. So the shadow is usually what we often, what people use to amplify and do the work of our primary even better in the advocate is someone who gives voice to spotlight as cause people, the environment animals can be anything, um, but to really shine a light on something that needs change and being the one to speak up.

Did that resonate for you

Ameesha: Yeah, I generally put a spotlight on. Anything that's going wrong or anything that that needs to be brought up? I'm generally also, like for me, any kind of women empowerment or building women up in workplaces is a big thing. So I'm generally involved in any of those initiatives. Pretty much. I feel like that kind of appeals to me.

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Theresa: Interesting. And so I wonder when you're leading an organizational transformation project, if there's, for example, a group of employees that are kind of left on the side and aren't being involved or not taken into consideration, is that something you feel drawn to be like, no, we need to like, make sure that.

It works for

Ameesha: everyone. Generally I tend to do that. So like even in large meetings, I make sure that, okay, if some group hasn't spoken, then I'll ask a representative like, yes, what's going on? Like, you know, is there something you wanna bring up? Uh, you know, don't hesitate in a smaller meeting for sure.

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Like, no, no, no. What's going on? Like, speak up, like let's, you know, like you don't have to feel left out. Yeah. I tend to do that.

Theresa: Yeah. So I think that need that comes up for you, that might be. Where that advocate came from in the assessment of like, you need to, and even if it's not like in a meeting, if you're just looking at that whole transformation from like a macro level that the organization wants to happen, are you automatically thinking about everyone who's gonna be impacted or every group of people that's impacted it by it

Ameesha: and the way they're impacted?

ting me know that. You know, [: 00:18:00

So yeah, I'm generally looking at every. Impacted stakeholder unit. Yeah. As well as processes which they might have missed, which might again impact some folks. Yeah.

Theresa: And I wonder if you're also advocating for the project that you're leading of? A hundred percent. I feel like I take my work too seriously.

Ameesha: Student like, yeah.

Theresa: That is where the advocate's coming in of like you are like, you believe in that transformation, right? They bring you on board as a consultant and they're like, we need this and this to happen. And then you are the one who like, yes, we're gonna make this happen. I'm gonna take all the chaos and create order out of it.

And I'm like, I own this. I am speaking up for it. If there's roadblocks in the way, I'm making sure that we are moving past them.

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Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And

Theresa: do you have, do you have people that report to you directly? Yeah. Do you, are you very, um, protective of your team or like if someone in your team would get mistreated, that you'd be like the one standing up for them and it's like you're advocating for them?

Ameesha: Um, so I'm protective of my team if I know they're doing a good job, if I know.

So I feel like this sense, and , maybe I shouldn't be, because everyone has their own thing, right? Like, God knows where they're coming from and what's going on with them at that moment or that week or whatever. But sometimes I feel like I don't, I'm not as forgiving about incompetence or. Whatever it is, like letting the ball drop.

. I don't even wanna use the [: 00:20:00

So I'm like, I have raised it to all levels of leadership across the board within my consulting firm and within my client's firm, making sure that no, this is, no, we need resources. You can't put so much work on him. This is not accurate, et cetera. So that is, I guess I knew if I know that that person's Yeah.

Worth it.

m, I also wanna touch on the [: 00:21:00

It is, it is something that if we had to do it all day, every day, it might feel like a heavier lift. Yeah. And the nurture is the person who is just is with someone. They just are with someone. And I have a gut feeling like how it might show up to you for you. But before I make that suggestion, I wanna hear from you how that resonated with you.

Ameesha: I, I don't know, because I feel like I have a lot of patience and nurturing, uh, qualities with kids. Oh yeah. But I don't seem to have that with adults

Theresa: and that's perfectly fine. And. So I am on nurturing isn't something that comes is one of my spark types. Like I feel like that is a draining one for me too.

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The nurture might feel really fulfilled to just sit with them, to help them feel those emotions and just be present. You, you care equally much, but if you coming in be like, this is not right, we need to speak up for that. Like, you wouldn't just sit there and be, no, I would s you, I would immediately solution.

Right? You'd be like, no, like this is wrong. I need to speak up. We need to make this right. We need to. If there's chaos, we need to organize that. Um, but that, that is where the anti nurture shows up, that it's not in your blood to just be, it's like, no, let's, yeah. Something's wrong. You need to, to do something about it.

Ameesha: Yeah. I guess you're right. Like, , for me it's like, okay, what can we do to fix it? Yeah. And what can we do to make sure it doesn't happen again for the future?

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Ameesha: for me, and again, I'm not opposed to teaching or coaching people, I'm just, as I said, if I have to do that again, again, and I'm doing that again, again, just because the person was. Person didn't have the presence of mind to actually take notes or organize themselves better when I was teaching.

That's what drains me. So yeah, you're right. I can't, I can't fit in that. I, for me, it's action that drives me. What's next? What can we do to solve this? What can we do to make sure that, okay, let's, let's move on to the, let's make sure lessons learned. Let's not do this again.

Right?

Theresa: Yeah. Yeah. And I can so see that. And obviously like when you said with children, you're, I can see you being very nurturing and enjoying that. Um, but if you had to do it for a living where you just, in the most extreme case, let's use the example of a therapist who is just with someone, they're not trying to change.

Well, there's some change, [: 00:24:00

Ameesha: Like, no, just again, switch. Yeah, no, no way. I can't be a therapist. I know that for a fact. Like I've actually thought about it and I have a friend or two who I feel like they'll make amazing therapists because they have that nurturing quality.

I just, I don't, yeah, and

Theresa: there's

Ameesha: nothing wrong

Theresa: with it, it's just you go about things differently and if you just had to listen and couldn't do something about it or help them do something about it, it would be like, oh yeah, exactly. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And the advocating that you're the one who can speak up. You know, if you're, if something is not right or if something needs to be driven forward, you give voice to that.

course you do. They're your [: 00:25:00

Maybe in that moment, that's a good leadership quality, but if they're disorganized at the same time, that doesn't make them the better manager.

Theresa (2): Correct.

Theresa: So I don't like, there's nothing in, in a spark type that would make you not an excellent leader. Okay. Um, it's not just knowing what to lean in. You might not be known for the leader who just spends hours talking to their employees and getting to know them and building really deep personal relationships.

You care, but you also care about moving this project forward and developing your people, making sure they have the tools and that is what, where your strength lies.

Ameesha: Right. Right.

Theresa: Okay.

that resonate? No, it does. [: 00:26:00

How can I make sure open a way which is meaningful? Right.

Theresa (2): You can do.

Ameesha: We can do a lot of, you know, just talk, talk, talk and not really give any actual tool. And for me it's, you know, it has to be tangible, so Yeah.

Theresa: Yeah,

Ameesha: yeah. Yeah. I, I guess it resonates. Yep. Yeah.

Theresa: And then the nurturing advocate, they can be closely aligned, but they don't have to, um, because the nurture,

it's just to be like, I'm, I'm here with you. And that fulfills them. It doesn't mean anyone else isn't good or bad at it. I can do that too, even though I'm not a nurturer. But I can do it, but it doesn't fill my cup, like it doesn't overflow my cup. I care and I can do it, and I want to do it when I care about someone.

m, but it isn't a thing that [: 00:27:00

If there's like a women hitting the glass ceiling and you are seeing that happening, you might be the one who is not sitting with the women and say like, let me, let's, let's talk about this. Let's talk about this all day.

You might be more the one who's like, that's not right. What can we do about that? I'm gonna speak up on that for that problem. Yeah, for sure. Does that help to see the difference between the advocate and the nurture? It does. Yeah.

Theresa (2): It does. Yeah.

Theresa: I wanna go back to your last roles and think like, okay, what are the times, what is it that, just small things.

It doesn't have to be big [: 00:28:00

If you're speaking up for something and it's like you're hitting your head against the wall. Like I, I don't know if that happened with the jewelry, but it's like. There seemed to be that glass ceiling and you couldn't break through and you wanted to, and it's that, oh, how I can't get past it. Yeah, so it can also become really draining then, right?

Yeah. Yeah. But thinking about the things where, moments where you're like either speaking up, giving voice to something, shining a light on something, or where you're taking chaos and created order of it in whatever form, what are moments that come to mind that you're like, I would wanna do more of that?

That was really enjoyable.

Ameesha: I mean, I, [: 00:29:00

Theresa: Let's talk about the type of kiosk do you like it most when the kiosk is people?

We need to structure workflows, for example, or do you like it when the chaos is data or is it when it's information or is it when it is physical things? Where do you feel like having and showing the most when you get to work with that type of chaos and create a system? Process order out of it?

Ameesha: I mean, I don't know if it can apply to a career in the future, but physical thi if I was to rate it in order, because I feel like I enjoy all but the most enjoyment is physical.

s or physical things, that's [: 00:30:00

So, but it's not like. I would probably group the second and third almost, almost together.

But yeah, like physically, definitely it is more,, it's like, okay, some something's

Theresa: yeah,

Ameesha: messy. Let's, let's figure it out. How to like make it, and that, that for me is very, very interesting.

Theresa: Yeah.

Ameesha: And

Theresa: for the physical, there's also a creative aspect to that. Is it interior design, when you're designing the layout of a room, for example, is it equally fulfilling to do it on the computer as it being in the space or is it, even though on the computer it's also creative, it's being in the space that makes a difference?

Or is the creativity the difference?

: I think being in the space [: 00:31:00

But hey, let, let's see now how the space evolves. Maybe the light is coming a different way. Yeah. Maybe rethink that and then go back to the desk. Yeah. And then read it, then go back. So yeah, I like to start off on a piece of paper or something, which is not the space. Clear my mind. See what, what ideas come into the head and then go into the space and design.

Theresa: Yeah. Yeah. Um, and just out of curiosity, would interior design ever be an option to go back to, or it doesn't, it doesn't feel like right for you right now?

Ameesha: No. There's just like my degree, I'll have to go through a whole level of certification if I was to stay in the part of the world considered it.

I've thought [: 00:32:00

Theresa: and that's totally okay. So now I'm thinking, okay, we wanna organize people and spaces. So the first thing, and there's a lot of things that can come to mind here, but like the first thing is like if you think about a large event, like let's say a professional conference where there is a space that needs to be organized and all the people and someone needs to have all this chaos, all these people, presenters, guests, vendors, and that physical space come together, would that be, if that would just be thrown at you, would you be like, oh, that would be fun, or would you feel like now that I would not wanna deal with that?

Like

ning or something like that? [: 00:33:00

Theresa: Yeah, like, let me just use the example of one corporate event.

Ameesha: Um, I guess depending on the company, like I, for me to even imagine doing that for mine right now is just so draining because I feel like I'm a little , just disillusioned by it right now. But yeah, I think in some previous companies where I know they would've appreciated, they would've given me the budget.

This would've actually been fun to do and do it well and, you know, make sure that people have a good time. Yeah, I am. I used to be the consummate hostess before I. Still a couple of years ago, I feel like I'm just drained right now because of my current job. So I feel it kind of flows into my personal life as well.

And I hate cooking, but I'll make sure that if there's a big spread and everything's looking nice and there's a theme and there's some, you know, activities scheduled and whatnot, so like yeah, like yeah, a hundred percent. Yeah.

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Yeah. The more drained you are, the more hard it is to remember that anything could energize you. Yeah. So it might also help to keep thinking about this, not just today, but like also when you have a day off and you feel like your mind has a little more distance to work. Whatever is that energizes you.

For some people it's a walk or nature or yoga session or whatever, or just getting a coffee. Um, then it might be easier when you do that a couple of times to like remember the things that felt, could feel energizing,

Ameesha: right?

Theresa (2): Yeah.

Theresa: But would you feel that that would be more fun to organize people in physical spaces versus a organizational transformation it project?

Ameesha: Definitely organizing all of these things in person makes so much more sense to Yeah, yeah,

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Ameesha: Oh yeah. Like I think my biggest lament over here as well, my, my work is fully remote. There's no mandate as such.

And once in a while I have to travel for work, but it's not a lot. Yeah. So I feel very drained because I'm not meeting people and I'm not having communication in person, and I'm not building relationships in person, which I know I'm going much more in person. Yeah. So for me, that is also draining. So yeah.

Like I would rather go in physically in person at a job. Yeah. So, yeah.

Theresa: When you're thinking about your current role, is it the workload that feels, that makes it so draining? Is it the type of work or is it the environment, the leadership, the physical, like the conditions of the remote work? No,

Ameesha: it's, it's the leadership, it's the culture.

ere's like, there's politics [: 00:36:00

But the people who are not doing a good job, let them coast. And, that's that unfairness method all just like drives me mad because there are people who are doing nothing and then there are people who are doing so much and they keep getting added to. But it's not like they're getting any kind of recognition through a promotion or through moving ahead or some kind of achievements.

No, nothing is necessarily recognized. It seems like a lot of lip service without anything. Yeah. In return and that, that drives me. That drives me a little crazy. Yeah.

Theresa: Oh, and that would be hard for anyone, but you being an advocate adds to it because you are seeing something wrong, and then it seems like there's nothing you can do.

And that's against your very [: 00:37:00

Theresa (2): Yeah.

Theresa: So if you would do the exact same work you're doing right now, but in a healthy work environment, would that be fulfilling?

Ameesha: I think so. I, it might be fulfilling. I don't know.

I just, I feel like there are components of my job, which can, so because we are in consulting, there is not one thing like, oh, just do your project well, and that's that, no, you're also supposed to sell, you're also supposed to mentor. You're also supposed to develop your expertise. You're also supposed to make sure that you are developing the practice.

There are too many KPIs for a limited time in a day. And that, you know, the fact that I don't get any downtime. So I don't know, like, I don't know if I, I've actually thought about it a lot and I don't know if I'll be happier in another consulting space. Yeah. I think I can be doing transformation management and maybe have one more thing on my plate.

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Yeah. It was, it was something new I was doing. It was not something monotonous. It was, I was learning something. Yeah. So that was, that was, that was very interesting for me. So, yeah, like, I don't know if I would like to be in another consulting firm, but if I'm doing transformation management should be okay.

I think,

Theresa: and I, that's interesting that you brought up the sales. Um, somehow I more than a few, um, advocates who are drawn to sales roles, um, because there's an advocating factor in sales, right? So I, it's, and they're often the ones who really advocate for the customer or the product as well. It's both, right?

. Um, for you, it would just [: 00:39:00

And that depends. If you have customers who are dumping a lot of chaos on you, and your job as a salesperson is to find solutions to organize that chaos, it totally could. Okay. But if that piece is missing, then it might over time feel like, yeah, I'm getting to advocate for them. I get to advocate for the product or the service, but.

Not moving towards this, that, that, it was really visible in your body even too when you said like, when all the skills comes together and it just flows, and it's like, ah, it's like, it's that feeling. That is the feeling that you wanna get at work.

Theresa (2): Right?

Theresa: So looking for [: 00:40:00

Ameesha: What, okay, so in your experience, essentially, what industries are they drawn to?

Theresa: There is really, and I'm gonna do research after and send you an email. Um, there isn't necessarily an industry that is, the spark attack is really hard to find. Say like, okay, if you're an essentialist, you thrive in those industries.

It's really more about the role and the environment you're in. It's like, okay, what, where do, where is someone who's can take K into order? Who is, where are they really valued? And where's also someone valued who speak up? And I tend to think this is more company than industry specific.

anies that don't value that. [: 00:41:00

So what are the spaces where that talent of yours to, and also you're moving at such a high speed of where are the spaces where they really value someone who can get all these moving pieces, people things, or even information data can organize that create systems, processes, and isn't afraid to speak up along the way.

Where is that valued? What organization, where is that part of the organizational culture?

What industries have been on your mind?

So it's been, my experience [: 00:42:00

And then I kind of switched, so.

Theresa: And when you think about these two industries that you've worked in, was there one where you feel those skills in you were valued more than in the other, where they really, where you got to shine? Was that where you had more of those moments of like, it's coming together and you were actually valued for that?

generally love me. And I was [: 00:43:00

So I think I was given the moment to shine everywhere because at the end of the day, I know I bring my best self to the table and I know I'm like really invested in their success. Because I feel like if they're successful for me, that's my success. You know, so I was telling this to Tiffany as well. I feel like I'm not afraid, like I know I'll be successful, but like, okay.

, it drains you a little bit [: 00:44:00

It's volatile, it's reactive as an industry. Right. Like it has to lead too well.

Theresa: Yeah. And so now that you said that in that fast pace is what you like, right? You're not, you enjoy some things moving.

Ameesha: I've been in roles where it was pretty easy and I was losing my mind. Yeah. So I guess I do. Yeah. Yeah. So if I able to think of it objectively, because right now I'm burnt out, so I'm not able to think of it objectively, but I, I'm trying to go back to my past and then there were roles which weren't, which didn't feel like I'm learning or growing or accomplishing anything.

I wanted to tear my head out. Yeah. So, yeah, I guess I do like the fast pace.

t's figure this out and move [: 00:45:00

E-commerce, retail. Um, tech is another one. Um, and tech was also the one that came to mind, first came to mind for me when we are talking about where is a lot of chaos and someone is really valued at bringing that together into systems or processes. Mm-hmm. So tech and e-commerce, retail, I definitely top there.

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Ameesha: And what roles am I looking at? Like the same thing? Like transformation management or change management, or are those the roles that I'm focusing on? So

Theresa: Going back to what you want to organize, you said you're drawn to the physical spaces. Is there anything that we talked about so far where you could see yourself having that, having a component of a physical space organization that you feel like that would be amazing.

Ameesha: Going into the office two or three times a week, I think would be, that would be

Theresa: enough for you to, it doesn't have to be organizing an interior room or an event. Like just being there in person would feel fulfilling enough.

y and I've done some where I [: 00:47:00

So I do feel like, yeah, you know, bringing issues to light. Let's host a panel. Let's bring some interesting women leaders, let's talk to them. Let's figure out how we can use this to drive momentum and maybe like have mentors for certain folks who need it, right? Like. Yeah, I, I feel like I had some great mentors and I was lucky enough to have some great mentors.

So like, you know, to be able to give that, bring that to others would be amazing. So, yeah. Yeah. Organizing those kind of meaningful events always, always drives me. But yeah, like, like, oh, let's do St. Patrick's parties. Like, no, that's, that's true. No, no,

Theresa: no, no, no. That's the, that's the totally advocate coming through.

women, that's your advocate, [: 00:48:00

That I think would be like a really, really great feeling for you. Would it be.

Ameesha: I think so. But it's not a role, right? It's an addition to a role. Like you don't, you don't have roles like this, or you are, or you go into like event planning or something. I don't know.

Theresa: Right. And I don't, I'm, I'm not saying you need to go into event planning, but looking for companies or, or organizations that are, have an advocacy aspect to them.

feel drawn to being in that [: 00:49:00

There's an aspect of it that we're all striving to empower women if you stay with that example. Okay. There are organizations that, that is their entire mission. Oh yeah. Yeah. There's like organizations like Women in Tech or, um, like there's women's organizations, like the Women Network. There is, um, lean In is a big network.

es. Like if you would get to [: 00:50:00

Um, she got into an organization that's really, really, big about community and taking care of the community, and she is the DI program director of Events and community programs.

Ameesha: Oh, that sounds a good role.

Theresa: Yeah. So like that is literally her job is like to bring people together towards that shared mission.

Okay. Um, yeah, I, I don't mind the connection if you're okay with it. Yeah. I, I'll, I'll connect you after. Yes. Yeah. Okay. Um, and there has to be a balance, right? Because the more nonprofit mission driven, um, the harder it is to get to the same salary as you are in consulting.

ly all about doing good like [: 00:51:00

You would be thriving? I think so. What do you think?

Ameesha: I don't, haven't considered them to be, to be very honest. I feel like that that's where I'll go when I'm like 55, you know? And just like I will be there on a board of directors or something and I've never considered as a career path in my head. Yeah, and it, I'm also

Theresa: not saying, it does have to be, you can be very.

professionally in that lane. [: 00:52:00

It's not just a meaningful project I'm completing, but it's also meaningful for the people that are impacted by it. Right. And it is in some way, of course, what you're doing impacts a lot of people in a positive way. Um, but that could add that extra of like, yeah, that would feel really good.

Ameesha: Yeah. I really liked the idea of the, you know, not-for-profit and being there that, that sounded very interesting to me.

And then. E-commerce, retail, tech, those are the industries which I'm kind of looking at anyway.

Theresa: Yeah.

Ameesha: Um, is

to do, is to shift from our [: 00:53:00

And then our head jumps in and be like, oh yeah, no, it is not gonna work. Or you're not gonna make enough money. But is there any of these industries where your gut is like, oh my God, that sounds I if I wish I could,

Ameesha: the foundations thing. I think that seemed very like, oh, okay. I think I could do that. And I think I could still make a good career out of it and make a good living.

And also progress. Maybe. That seemed, that seemed weirdly interesting. Yeah. 'cause I've not really thought about that. Everything else, like, like tech, I know I'm focusing on it anyway, detail. Um, I know. Fashion. I think I'm, I'm not sure. Consumer electronics is like a subsidy of tech. Anyway, so

Theresa: yeah. I'm searching here real quick.

that I collected for another [: 00:54:00

Goldman Sachs Foundation, it's called 10,000 Women, offers women entrepreneurs in developing countries business education and access to capital and networks. Unilever, and I'll send it to you after too. Salesforce foundation. And that is like, the foundations are great because there's money that they can actually pay people.

tion. Visa has a foundation, [: 00:55:00

Advancing women in the workplace, expanding women led businesses and improving financial health.

Ameesha: Wow. I didn't even know these larger companies had these large foundations. Yeah,

Theresa: and I, yeah, so in your case, I think that could be a really beautiful blend of doing work that feels good, but still getting paid for it.

Yeah. Without being, because if you go to a nonprofit and you make 50,000 a year, you might feel good about the work, but it's not an option.

Ameesha: Exactly. Exactly.

Theresa: Um, but those companies, and if you are in one of those foundations where it is very mission driven, right? You're doing something that just feels good and you would be, and you would be coming in at a director level role.

I, I would imagine with your background. I think so, yeah. Yeah. And being there at a, or even higher, um, I don't know. What roles are you, are you VP targeting VP roles if you were to go move out of consulting?

Senior director, I would say [: 00:56:00

Any like larger technology firm I think now depends because Amazon, even senior manager is high. Yeah. So, and then a smaller company, if it's like a startup, a we p, again, I think it depends on the size of the company, but anywhere between, just depending on the size of the company. Yeah. Like yeah. Some kind of leadership role for sure.

Right. So if you would

rojects they're running, um, [: 00:57:00

Ameesha: to like all the

Theresa: other places.

Yeah, exactly. And your experience would be incredibly . Valuable. So valuable of being able to. Because you've been doing that organization transformation, organizational transformation, like you really know it. You have, you know that in your blood about how to move something through change and bring it all together.

And that would be so valuable for those industries and those organizations.

Ameesha: That's interesting. I actually didn't think about this, and this for me does seem like almost a new path, but everything that I've done before this is applicable. Mm-hmm. And so, and it seems really interesting. Like it seems like, oh, this would be cool to do this.

Like this would be fulfilling. Yeah,

s about what it really takes [: 00:58:00

Through our coaching session at Gates, some incredible clarity about what truly makes her come alive in her work and about what drains her. She realized that designing systems, creating order out of chaos, strategizing big change initiatives, solving complex problems quickly, and advocating for causes she believes in are the activities that light her up the mouth.

into her strength roles like [: 00:59:00

or Senior Director of Transformation programs. We also discussed some amazing companies that could be a great fit, especially those blending, fast-paced innovation with social impact like Salesforce Foundation, google.org, the Visa Foundation or mission-driven companies like benevity and change.org.

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