Find Your Spark & Build a Fulfilling Career

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On Career Clarity Unlocked, We're all about those light bulb moments. I'm talking to people who are still trying to figure out what they're meant to do, coaching them live to reach that magical. Yes, this is it moment. And we'll also hear from those who've already found their dream careers and figure out exactly how they did it.

Whether you're looking for inspiration or actionable advice on finding a career you love, I've got you covered. Time to unlock some career clarity. Let's dive in.

incredible Jonathan Fields. [: 00:01:00

In his popular Awake at the Wheel newsletter, Jonathan helps you feel more alive and less alone. He is also the founder of a series of companies focused on human potential, currently serving as CEO of Sparked Endeavors, where he developed a groundbreaking Sparkotype assessment, which has been tapped by over 1 million individuals and organizations to identify, embrace, and cultivate work that makes people come alive.

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Thank you for joining us today, Jonathan. It is such an honor to have you here and I can't wait to hear all about the Sparkytype assessment. It has changed my life. It has changed the life of so many of my clients.

But before we go into the details of the Sparketype assessment, I'd love to start with learning more about your journey. And there are so many people who can point to a moment in their lives or might be currently in a moment where they feel stuck professionally or in their life and don't know what steps to take next.

Can you share a time in your own journey where you felt like that, and how that has shaped the path that brought you to where you are today?

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And the work was interesting, but I was really just pushing myself to a point where, um, I. I literally ended up on a deal and I was a securities lawyer doing M& A and public offerings and things like this and , you know, there was about a three week window where I went to work and I wasn't home all that much in that three week window and I let my mental health fall apart.

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And I felt inside my body. Um, a pain start to grow literally just from the center of my body. By the end of those three days, I was doubled over, barely able to breathe. I knew something was really wrong, but we were on this deal and it had to happen. You know, we had this incredible timeline and the stakes were incredibly high.

So we kind of hit the button on the deal. I went home, passed out for a little bit, woke up and was still feeling absolutely awful. Went immediately in a cab to my physician who looked at me, examined me, and he turned a little bit white, took my hand and walked me down the hall to another specialist. And within a matter of few hours, I was admitted into a hospital for emergency surgery because my intestines had basically, um, become perforated.

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Now, it's probably a little bit slow. It probably should have listened a little bit earlier, you know, but, , as I recovered from that, I really started to feel like, okay, so before this. It's almost like I had the golden ticket. I was very fortunate. , I was moving up in a career. I was working in a firm that was incredibly prestigious, really well paying job, a path to partnership.

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You know, this was a moment where I said, you know, like, this is not the way that I want to live and started asking myself bigger questions. I even asked myself. Is the carrot that's being dangled in front of me years down the road, a partnership, something I'm even interested in. And I started looking at the lives that oftentimes senior partners were living and asking myself, do I want those lives?

And the answer was actually, no, I didn't. So then what would I be working so hard for? So, so, you know, that was a huge. Awakening for me, and it made me realize that I wasn't stuck in the traditional sense, but I was stuck in a space and a time, , and in a mode of looking at my work and my life that kept me from making a decision that would look outside of that, that look at what other possibilities might exist.

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Thanks.

Theresa: Thank you for sharing that story, Jonathan. This is incredible how this moment in your life has brought you to where you are today. And it's something I think a lot of people experience that our work impacts us, not just the 40 hours or more hours that we spend there, but it impacts our mental health, our physical health.

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The Spiker type assessment definitely changed my life. The moment I took it suddenly. Every decision I've ever made made total sense. Um, and as a certified SparkyTab advisor, there is a question I get quite frequently. There are so many career assessments out there. What makes this one different? And why do you think it resonates so deeply with people?

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You know, that's much more narrow rather than being a general personality test or having a list of a whole bunch of different things. Um, we're focused on identifying the underlying impulse for work that makes you come alive. , and when I use the phrase come alive or, or sparked, and I often use them interchangeably, I'm talking about the sweet spot between five different component states.

One is meaning or meaningfulness. One is energy and excitement. One is access to flow or the experience of absorption. One is express potential or performance. And the final one is purpose, more broadly purpose in life. When we find that you can work in a way that allows you to experience elements of all five of those, it is a transformative work experience.

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Using their own assessments that they've developed in house and a wide range of others. And they bring us in because they're seeing the Sparky types, give them something different that adds to the information set in a really helpful and also usable, actionable way.

Theresa: 100%. And those five components, I can see that in my own work.

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So you shared that your work draws from nearly a million individuals and 50 million data points, which I do believe is another reason that makes the Spiker type assessment so accurate. , and you have done so much research on what makes people come alive in their careers. Were there any surprising or maybe even counterintuitive insights that you've uncovered from all this research?

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So when you take the assessment, you, you, you find out basically these three component parts of what we call your spark attack profile. And, , and the single biggest word that we hear in response to this is people use the word validated now. No person can validate another person. I don't believe that.

But what we do is essentially we built a tool that serves effectively as a truth telling mirror that reflects back to somebody something that. Has always been true for them, something that they've probably known since they were a little kid and has stayed with them for their whole lives, but often either walked away from suppressed stifled or ignored, sometimes even entirely denied, maybe because of expectations of others or what they felt was appropriate or inappropriate in terms of how they showed up in work and life to kind of set it aside.

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True. Um, and, and, and people experience that so very, it's, you know, it's very rare that somebody is actually surprised by the sparkotype profile. It's usually the fact that they recognize themselves in it immediately and there's a sense of validation that they move forward with.

Theresa: This is a response I've also gotten from many clients and people.

That have taken the Sparky type assessment and another thing I hear a lot from people is it finally gave them words to express what they kind of knew, and they didn't really have the words of the language to talk about it.

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How do they experience it? Like, what words are people using so that we can enter the conversation that's already going on? In somebody's life in somebody's head in somebody's heart, um, and not trying to change the descriptions, but actually understand what is the language that they're using and then make it simple and clear and straightforward and not loaded up with jargon, which is something I think we all tended to move into in the business world so that.

It also serves as a shared language so that we, um, heard so many people say, like, I literally copied and pasted my results and I send it to all the, I send it to my friends, I send it to my family, to my partner, to my colleagues, because this finally gives language that, that is feels true to me and that I can share with other people to help them understand who I am and how I show up.

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And how can our audience and the listeners today use those insights after taking the SPARQL type assessment to uncover similar opportunities in their own path?

Jonathan: Yeah, you're right there. There are so many wonderful stories that have come to us over the years. , some through direct work and some that's just come through our amazing community, folks like you who are out there sharing this work with the world as well.

Um, you know, A couple come to mind. We've been doing this really fun series on. Um, we produce a second podcast called Spartan. We've been doing these career transformation stories. Um, we actually featured you in that, by the way, for joining in, which is a super fun conversation. Um, they'll just pick from one of those.

woman, uh, Hannah Bell, um, [: 00:16:00

Is about animating, um, uh, experiences. Um, so she was a lawyer. She was sort of like a young rising lawyer doing well. , but not really loving what she was doing. She had gone into that field in no small part because of expectations that had been shared with her, you know, from family, like this was a great profession to go into, you'll earn good money and solid.

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She also happened to be commuting something like three hours to this particular job, which turned into a bit of a mixed blessing. On the one hand, it's a really long commute to deal with. On the other hand, she used that time to start to listen to a lot of different things, podcasts being the main thing.

And she stumbled upon personal finance podcasts and she just fell in love with the world of finance. This was something she didn't really know about before. And she started just devouring everything that she could possibly devour. She was listening to every podcast, reading every book. And this became almost this, you know, like she was possessed, um, but in a joyful way, she didn't have to do this.

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And then. Live in a really powerful way. And everyone started asking her, how in the world did you do? All of her friends are like, this is impossible. How like we, this sounds like one of those fantasy things. She's like, she started sharing and she absolutely lit up. And then it was right around then. She also took a spark a type and learned that she was in fact a sage and an advisor.

She loved the idea of learning things, but then. The real joyful part for her was turning around and sharing what she was discovering, seeing the lights go on in other people. That was where the magic happens. So she said, what if I blended these things together, a deep interest in this new world of finance and personal finance and a passion for stepping into sage mode and, and really sharing everything that I know she ended up leaving her career in the law and building an entirely new career.

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I found something that, , topically I'm deeply interested in, but also this mode of being able to, to step into a way of not just earning a living and being of service, but helping other people light up with new insights, new ideas, new information. This was so intrinsic to her and the fact that she got to do that.

Um, and then actually was paid to do it was this incredible awakening for her. So that's just one example of how somebody did this, you know, just really beautiful re imagining around understanding what her Sparkotype profile was really all about.

Theresa: Oh, what a beautiful story. And it's not just that she found a new career, but now she gets to do the work that sparks her, that makes her come alive.

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Jonathan: Yeah, you know, um, so the big question that most people have once they discover what their Sparky type profile is, is what do I do with this? You know, they, they, they spend, you know, about 10, 15 minutes discovering this thing, it lands is really true and valuable to them. And some people just immediately intuitively know they're like, Oh, my gosh, this explains so much.

most people actually don't. [: 00:21:00

Like, how do I understand? I learned something new. I learned something valuable, have a sense for how this might inform my career choices and the way I build my work in life, but not a lot of clarity, a sort of step by step on how do I actually make this happen? How do I build or rebuild or reimagine what I'm doing in a way that centers?

These things in my life. So we spent years now developing a lot of tools and strategies and processes, but we were largely, , training certified spark type advisors in this, the deeper methodology and the deeper tools, and they were taking it out into the world. Um, and we wanted a way for folks who maybe were not oriented towards working individually or in groups, but just needed something more, , streamlined and simplified to do on their own, to be able to take the assessment.

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So that's where the work craft program was developed, you know, and we just integrated a lot and it's really tested and refined to create this. Sort of very streamlined experience to help you actually try and figure out. And like the promise that we're, we're always trying to work towards is how can we help people make work one of the best parts of their lives?

And this is another piece in that puzzle.

Theresa: It is beautiful. All the tools that you've developed are absolutely incredible. And I'm wondering for someone right now, who's. Listening and feeling disconnected from their work or unfulfilled and has that hope that maybe one day work

could be the best part of their life.

, where can they start? What is the first step that they can take today to start finding their spark and finding a career that they actually love and that makes them come alive?

Jonathan: [: 00:23:00

You know, it's, I could easily say, well, go discover your Sparkotype, go take the assessment. It's 10 I think a really interesting part of the process, no matter what you do, also can all also be some version of a seven day journal. Now, in our body of work, we call this a spark and stifle journal. We're basically for seven days and you can do this on a notes app.

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What is stifling you? And you do that as accurately as you can. You don't have to be maniacal about it, but, but some people love to be super precise. Like way back in my lawyer days, we build in six minute increments. So like you learn how to actually track your time very precisely. Most people do not do that and don't want to do it.

So just be as sort of like accurate as you can, but it's incredibly eye opening because what tends to happen is we have some idea of how we think we spend our time. And we have some sense of what we think lights us up and empties us out. But when we actually start to track it in a meaningful way and write it down, you can almost give yourself a score, you know, like 1 to 10, how much did this light me up and 1 to 10, how much is this empty me out as you're doing different activities and tasks and experiences.

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Theresa: Thank you for sharing this. It is an exercise I love and guided so many of my clients through as well. And one of the beautiful insights that I hear a lot is that people realize that not everything they are really good and skilled at is something that lights them up. Sometimes they are, but sometimes there's Things they are so good at and do a lot of and they are actually things that empty them out Do you have that experience as well that there is a that being good at something does not equal?

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I was doing every job that needed to be done, you know, so, and there were plenty of times where I was doing things where it just, it absolutely emptied me out. I had no interest in doing this. But this is what I signed up for. You know, this is what you do when you're a founder, when you're building something new and you don't have the outside funds to actually just immediately start with a big team and outsource everything to them or delegate to them.

So there are so many times when I've done all sorts of work, like I, my anti spark a type is what we call the essentialist, which is all about creating order from chaos. It's about systems and process and clarity and utility. And I love when I can work in, in a, in a context or in a culture and environment where that's in place.

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and then as soon as I could find ways to almost buy myself out of it.

Theresa: And now I have to ask for our audience. What is your primary sparker type and what is the thing that makes you come alive the most?

Jonathan: Yeah, so I'm, I'm what we call a maker and that's all about making ideas manifest. You know, I wake up in the morning.

I open my eyes and I basically look around and I'm like, That's that. Here's something to be created. Here's something to be created. Here's something and So I am, um, I am not somebody who's ever dealt with boredom in life or trying to figure out like, what should I do? It's always more of a matter of, um, how do I narrow down the field of possibilities so that I'm not just so scattered and so diluted in what I'm doing so that I can make a meaningful difference in a smaller number of things that I can just devote that maker energy to.

for our audience, there's a [: 00:28:00

And It's a big risk to be like, okay, I'm going to leave this to pursue something that sparks me or that makes them come alive. How do you help people navigate the tension between doing what they love and work that makes them come alive and meeting their practical needs?

Jonathan: Yeah, it's such a great question, and I think it's a really important one not to be kind of career delusional about, um, you know, like, let's own the fact let's acknowledge the realities of your life, wherever it is in this moment in time.

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And the realities are that not all options are open to every person at every moment. So rather than shaming ourselves for that, or sort of like listening to somebody who says, that's not true. Like this, this is all something that you're just imagining or making up. I think that really does a disservice.

Let's own the fact that sometimes. Things are just hard. And sometimes money and safety and security and covering our essential needs is really the primary focus. And that's okay. You know, if you've got three kids and you're a single parent and you're working two jobs just to try and get through every day to say, just drop it all to go do what you love.

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And you're doing the best you can. And this is a season and seasons change. Um, but also at the same time, I think we do want to plant a seed that says, Okay, so let's look at the actual circumstances of what you're doing right now and see, is there anything that we can shift or tweak or make subtle changes even that nobody else will even notice that you don't have to go and seek approval for get permission for, but they're subtle enough, they have the effect of just slightly realigning what you do on a day to day basis.

With your spark ties, with, with those things that make you come alive in ways that maybe nobody else even notices or pays attention to. But you notice, so you're doing the exact same job in the same circumstance, but slightly differently. You're stepping into it slightly differently and because of that, you get to experience it also slightly differently.

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And you don't want to do anything to rock the boat, but there are different degrees of shifts that you can start to make, um, from really mild. To more substantial that make a really meaningful difference in the way you experience often the same job without putting at risk you honoring that value of covering your essential needs in that moment of time.

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So she loved to share knowledge and guide others. She was very close to a burnout because she was. leading so many meetings every day, and she put it on her to be in the spotlight to engage and life in the meetings and the change that she made after doing the work that self discovery work was, why doesn't she approach the meetings as I'm going in here to share knowledge and to guide you?

I'm not approaching this meeting as I'm in the spotlight. I'm engaging and livening, but I'm coming in to share knowledge and guide others. And that mindset shift changed everything for her.

Jonathan: Yeah, I love that. And, and, and even building on that, you know, like a quick brainstorm on that situation. So if her anti Sparket type is performer, which is all about animating, electrifying, like moments and interactions and experiences.

is more depleting. You know, [: 00:33:00

It lets them build skills. It lets them build confidence. It lets them feel more cohesive and sort of like build social currency within the group and the team. And I also take some of that burden off of me in doing the thing that is more emptying for me. So. I find that when you really understand you like these dynamics and you also then you understand the dynamics or the the spread type profiles of the people on your teams, you can really negotiate.

You can sort of like reorient who's doing what and how so that everybody just feels like they're much more enlivened.

Theresa: Yes, and this is perfect because that was actually the second step she took after she shifted her mindset, she stepped, let her team step up, and they're now rotating the leadership role of the meetings.

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What's one piece of advice or perspective that you would like to share to help them feel more inspired and empowered to take meaningful steps without being so overwhelmed and guiding them in the direction of finding more fulfillment in their work?

Jonathan: It's such a great question, you know, um, and everybody is in that mode right now with the start of their, they're already looking at the year to come and trying to figure out what do I want to make happen?

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What are the different jobs that I might consider? What are the different industries or the different companies? You're like, um, or maybe I'm going to start my own practice. What would that look like? What would the shape and feel of it look like? And we go there in no small part because it's fun. It's exciting.

It's like, Oh, now I'm playing in the world of possibility. How cool is this? And it is cool. And it is exciting. And I would never want to take that away from anyone that said oftentimes. We kind of get lost in that world and we start to reverse engineer decisions that would allow us to just sort of like step into an imaginary future, but they're really not based on who we are.

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Um, and when you really deepen into these things, like understand yourself. And a really powerful level. What we saw over the last four or five years, it was this kind of wild swing. We saw the pandemic, then we saw a mass exodus that everyone was calling the great resignation. And then we saw not too long after that, what people started calling the great return and the great regret.

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It's like, Oh, I guess this is actually the thing to do now. It's actually okay. It's socially acceptable. I'm going to go and do it. And they flew out the door to other opportunities without taking that extra step of saying, who am I? What really matters. You know, and then matching up opportunities with that deeper self, um, knowledge.

So I would invite people to dabble in the realm of possibility, go play with it, go have fun. And at the same time, allocate a meaningful amount of energy. To really understanding who you are and what matters to you so that when it comes time to actually start making decisions, you have a much better sense for what's real.

And what's not.

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And as we're getting into the last 15 minutes, I want to open it up to the audience for questions. And I also Already got a couple of great questions in here. So I'm going to drop one into the captions here right now.

So the first question that we got from our audience is if I'm currently in a role that harnesses my anti Sparker type, what can I do in the meantime to utilize my primary and shadow Sparker types?

Jonathan: Such a great question, and it's a question that comes up fairly often. Um, a lot of times people don't realize that they're in a role.

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And when we do it, it often requires the greatest amount of recovery. Also afterwards recovery that often we don't get, and we don't give ourselves. So we can tip towards burnout much more quickly. If we find ourselves doing a lot of the work of our anti sparky type. So, um, we talk about, you know, a couple of different things.

One is how can we dance with the anti sparkle type in a way that, , lets it feel like less of a burden. And also how can we then do more of the work of our primary and shadow the things that fill us up, , at the same time. Let me talk about, , The antisparker type a little bit more and some sort of navigating that because most people look at that and they're like, well, okay, so I did a seven day journal or an audit of what I'm doing.

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Um, so what do you do about that? You know, so a couple of things come to mind right away. Um, one is, you know, ask the fundamental question. And this goes a little bit to that example that you just gave, Teresa, of your client who was leading the meetings. Like, is there an opportunity to delegate any of this work in a meaningful way?

You know, who else on my team actually might love this kind of work or really grow from it or benefit from it, , that we might be able to, I, I might be able to actually share that work with them and maybe it means actually doing a bit of a trade. And now I'm going to take on some of what they're doing.

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We've seen another thing happen, which is really fascinating to us, um, which is that some people will actually completely dive into the work of their anti Sparky type. And instead of trying to sort of like avoid it or get it off their plate or systematize it, they'll actually say, you know what, there's no real easy way for me to make this go away.

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No, but will it make it a lot better? Yes. So we see some people actually almost like running straight into it to build really strong competence around it in a way that allows them to actually do that work much more quickly, efficiently, and effectively. So it takes up a much smaller part. of what they're doing, and then they can take that extra time and refocus back on, okay, so how can I bring more of the work of my primary and shadow into it?

I'm curious. Do you see this in clients that you work with as well?

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For all of us, there's something that drains us and there's things that energize us. And there's nothing wrong with you for something feeling draining. That already takes such a weight off their shoulders. And then when they understand, okay, this is just who I am as a human being. And now that I understand that, I can adjust the way I approach it.

I can find ways to recharge. A lot of people that I work with, even when they say like, okay, now I know this. Let's say the meeting, this is going to be a heavy lift, but I decide I want to do this anyway. And after that, I'm going to take a 20 minute break and drink a cup of coffee.

Jonathan: Yeah, it's almost like you're like, and this is one of the other things you build self care and rewards around the behavior, which can really, um, help as well.

antisparker type, which is. [: 00:44:00

On a daily basis, because that's pretty manageable. That's pretty fine for most people, you know, but I think the, , the idea that you could also entirely eliminate it, or if you're looking for a new job. Like looking for a job that has absolutely like 0 percent of the work of your anti sparking type is probably unrealistic, you know, and even if it says that it doesn't have that work on paper and the job description, it's a pretty safe bet that once you get there and you start doing the job, you realize, Oh, this is actually still a part of what I'm doing.

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Theresa: I agree. But what an amazing experience it is, even if you do 80 percent of the time work that makes you come alive.

That, for me personally, what fills my battery so much, that the 20 percent that drain me is okay.

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Theresa: . When I bring in the next question from our audience, which I think is so interesting, do our values set the limits to navigate between passion versus practicality?

Jonathan: Yeah, um, it values are definitely a really big part of the decision making process.

Um, we, we tend to look at values a little bit differently than most. So I, I think pretty much everyone who's been in any kind of work environment at some point has done a values exercise. I think it's really important and values broadly discussed is generally. Understanding what is important to you when making significant decisions.

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So like you may actually have an opportunity for a job where. Um, it seems like there's gonna be a ton of the work of your primary, , spark a type in there. Like, you know, like, uh, you're a sage and you're facilitating all day long. This sounds incredible, right? You also have a value of wanting to provide, um, financially, , and provide security for your family.

And this particular job. Only offers a fraction of what you would need to do that thing. So are values going to play a role in that decision making process? Sure, of course. And sometimes you have to really just think about it and get clear one. What are my values? You know, if it's a money thing, what are my values around money?

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Um, and very often it's also not just our values, you know, if you were in partnership, um, it's going to be the values of you, but also you're going to want to have a conversation with the person you're in partnership with, because it's going to affect you both and it's going to affect your relationship.

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It just means that we bring more people's needs and values and expectations and desires into the experience.

Theresa: And I think it's so helpful to make that conscious because a lot of that runs on a level that we might not be even aware of. And a value conflict I come across quite a bit is that people value stability and they value security.

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And then making decisions.

Jonathan: Yeah. And, and sometimes you navigate, you know, sometimes you negotiate interesting moments too. Like I remember. Launching one particular business. I had no idea if this was going to work or not. Let it be married, had a young kid, um, and, and providing security and stability was important to, to both, you know, like my wife and I, so we kind of negotiated a certain window of time and said, okay, so we are cool.

Um, allowing a year or 18 months at taking a shot at this, knowing that, you know, if, if I can't grow this thing to a point where it's contributing X amount to our, , Our family income in this amount of time, then we actually are going to come back together and have a new conversation to say, like, how's this going?

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Theresa: Absolutely. And I want to make time for one more question we just got in the chat. What are some strategies or practices you recommend for ensuring a career remains fulfilling and aligned with someone's passion over the long term?

Jonathan: Yeah, this is a great question because, um, you know, so often we see what we call drift, um, sparkly drift.

And that means, you know. Let's say you take a job or even start your own business and you're doing everything and it feels super well aligned with who you are and with all the things that matter to you and you feel great, right? And then a year down the road, you're like, you're still feeling pretty good about it.

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You know, like, are the things that were really lighting me up before still true to the experience that I'm having today? If so, great. Keep on keeping on. If not, where are they differing? Where is the drift happening? And then you ask the question, are there things that I can do? Are there actions that I can take or shifts that I can say yes to?

That would allow me to sort of bring it back onto the rails, bring it back into alignment so that I feel good again, showing up and sometimes it takes some creativity, sometimes it takes some, some movement, but my take is that the more regularly you do that. The, the less far off the rails we go before we have an opportunity to actually correct course and the easier it is and the less pain we endure in that process.

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So to. And have these regular check ins and making sure like, Oh, I'm still on track or I'm still doing the work that lights me up is incredibly important. And we're also allowed to change and grow. Maybe work that felt super aligned five years ago isn't the same that doesn't feel the same today or will feel the same in five years.

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Theresa: Thank you, Jonathan. This was incredible hearing your insights and motivation and empowerment and advice for our listeners. And I'm sure our listeners are dying to find out more about you and connect with you and learn more about the work you do. Where can they find you?

Jonathan: Yeah, well, thanks so much for the invitation to join and thanks for everybody for joining in with us.

Um, I'm pretty easy to find if you, if you type in Jonathan Fields online, um, or at Jonathan Fields pretty much on any, um, social platform. Good Life Project podcast or Spark podcast is where you can find us producing on a weekly basis. Um, and if you're curious about taking the Sparketype assessment, it's just freely available for anyone at sparketype.

com. But, um, really the probably just literally typing in my name, we'll, we'll, we'll get you where you need to go.

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Thank you so much for your time and for being with us here today.

Jonathan: Yeah, it's been my pleasure. Thanks so much for having me.

Theresa: Wow. What an inspiring session we've had today with the incredible Jonathan Fields. Jonathan, thank you again for sharing your wisdom, stories, and the groundbreaking work you're doing to help people discover their spark and build fulfilling careers.

To everyone who joined us today, thank you for being part of this transformative conversation. Before we wrap up, I'd love for you to take a few moments to reflect and take action on what you've learned today. reflect on today's insights. What stood out to you today most?

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Or is it taking a first step toward a long held dream? When we write things down, they stick with us and we are so much more likely to implement what we want to be doing. Action transforms ideas into reality, and I'd love to hear your takeaways, questions, and to continue this conversation with you.

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